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That is a good question. Perhaps the person who originally said it just didn't like cats? Or, it may be a reference to the Cat Sidhe which was a spirit that often took the shape of a large black cat with a white spot on its chest. Cat Sidhe were said to be able to steal the soul of a person if one passed over the person's body before it was buried. So, if your soul was cursed to be 'eaten' by a Cat Sidhe and then said Cat Sidhe was eaten by the devil, it would be one powerful double curse.
[He has to admit, a curse like that has a lot more impact on him than just the idea of someone being impolite would. Then again, he and curses have a long history together...]
[He has to admit, a curse like that has a lot more impact on him than just the idea of someone being impolite would. Then again, he and curses have a long history together...]
Sounds almost like a nekomata. Except I've usually heard it said that they just ate humans outright, instead of just their souls.
Either way, that seems like one hell of a thing to wish on someone.
Either way, that seems like one hell of a thing to wish on someone.
What the Grail tells me about nekomata is exactly that, so I would agree they are similar aside from that obvious difference. It's funny. Our curses often appear very simple on the surface--and many are--but if you look into the history of some, they do become a lot darker and more complex very quickly.
I am not sure how just being impolite can measure up to that. Can you explain some of the history to me?
[He may have surface knowledge of Japanese traditions and history, but it is just the bare minimum to function in the society and nowhere near what someone who grew up there would know.]
I am not sure how just being impolite can measure up to that. Can you explain some of the history to me?
[He may have surface knowledge of Japanese traditions and history, but it is just the bare minimum to function in the society and nowhere near what someone who grew up there would know.]
Japanese as a language relies very heavily on politeness and formality. I was telling Polnareff not too long ago about the different words for 'I' and how they vary in formality. To use the same example, I ordinarily use watashi or boku because those are more or less the accepted standards for someone my age. The former is more or less default, while the latter is slightly more casual. Jotaro, on the other hand, uses ore which is about as rough and informal as you'd expect from him.
More to the point, with a language such as that the simple absence of formality is essentially a massive show of disrespect. It's not difficult to insult someone completely by mistake, if one's not used to speaking it. Continuing to use Jotaro as an example, I think one of the first things I ever overheard him saying was やかましい, 'yakamashii', which is basically 'shut up'. Which doesn't sound like much as far as insults go, but I suppose the tone may not translate well.
To use another example, the word for 'you' we used to refer to each other that day was 'きさま', 'kisama'. It's a rough word that is probably better translated as 'you bastard' or something to that effect.
More to the point, with a language such as that the simple absence of formality is essentially a massive show of disrespect. It's not difficult to insult someone completely by mistake, if one's not used to speaking it. Continuing to use Jotaro as an example, I think one of the first things I ever overheard him saying was やかましい, 'yakamashii', which is basically 'shut up'. Which doesn't sound like much as far as insults go, but I suppose the tone may not translate well.
To use another example, the word for 'you' we used to refer to each other that day was 'きさま', 'kisama'. It's a rough word that is probably better translated as 'you bastard' or something to that effect.
Edited 2016-07-28 06:10 (UTC)
You didn't give me much to formulate a proper theory from yet. Even if you did, I may not be the right person to ask. I think Hierophant and I both remember the same things in roughly the same way, so I don't know if my perspective would be of any help to you.
That's pretty easy on paper, but I should preface this with the fact that this is hardly a rigid definition; there are always going to be exceptions and outliers simply by virtue of the fact that every single Stand is different. That said, I see it as a scale:
-Largely independent Stands, possessing a voice and will reflecting their user but also separate from them (Spice Girl, Sex Pistols)
-Somewhat independent Stands, reflecting their user's will but with the capability to act for themselves (Star Platinum, Silver Chariot, Gold Experience) This one is what I think the majority commonly fall near or directly under.
-Stands lacking independence, either a complete manifestation of their user's will or simply lacking one of their own (Hierophant Green, Hermit Purple)
-Largely independent Stands, possessing a voice and will reflecting their user but also separate from them (Spice Girl, Sex Pistols)
-Somewhat independent Stands, reflecting their user's will but with the capability to act for themselves (Star Platinum, Silver Chariot, Gold Experience) This one is what I think the majority commonly fall near or directly under.
-Stands lacking independence, either a complete manifestation of their user's will or simply lacking one of their own (Hierophant Green, Hermit Purple)
Not having one myself, I can't say for sure--but I can't imagine a Stand so independent as to think completely separately from its user.
Star once texted me to get me to give him pudding without Jotaro realizing it. I don't really understand the range of things he can do without direct input; for as long as I can remember Hierophant's never done anything even close to that extent. So it's difficult for me to comprehend, but there must be some correlation between a Stand's action and its user's desires.
Star once texted me to get me to give him pudding without Jotaro realizing it. I don't really understand the range of things he can do without direct input; for as long as I can remember Hierophant's never done anything even close to that extent. So it's difficult for me to comprehend, but there must be some correlation between a Stand's action and its user's desires.
I think that could be something on a similar level, from the sound of it.
Do you think that correlation is there, when he does something like that?
Do you think that correlation is there, when he does something like that?
Let me frame it a different way, then. Remember the very first night we met? Jotaro accidentally let slip what happened to me, and Hierophant stopped him from leaving.
'Hierophant' did that, not 'Kakyoin'. What I felt was 'don't leave' on some level, and he acted on that.
What I'm getting at is this question: is it possible that what Gold Experience feels is a reflection on your own subconscious?
'Hierophant' did that, not 'Kakyoin'. What I felt was 'don't leave' on some level, and he acted on that.
What I'm getting at is this question: is it possible that what Gold Experience feels is a reflection on your own subconscious?
Giorno, I can speak from experience when I say this: People and their emotions are very complex and difficult to understand or summarize.
If he's happy and also worried, that might be
[. . .]
maybe he's afraid of losing that
If he's happy and also worried, that might be
[. . .]
maybe he's afraid of losing that
but i'm not
[Are you lonely, Gold Experience?]
[He hits send by accident, then throws his watch at the pillow. It feels like a tantrum welling up, no no no; he clenches his fists and wants to throw punches, weak desperate ones against the awful aching realization. But no. It's not Kakyoin's fault. It's his. He should have just asked the direct question. He shouldn't have been afraid of it, but it was and now Kakyoin is talking about him, him and Gold Experience, and he doesn't want to be him and Gold Experience, he doesn't want that.]
[He waits until his fingers stop shaking, then reaches out for the watch again.]
well carlos would agree with you. maybe you should compare notes.
[It comes out more bitter than he means it to. But there's no taking it back, and anyway, he's not sure he wants to take it back at all.]
[Are you lonely, Gold Experience?]
[He hits send by accident, then throws his watch at the pillow. It feels like a tantrum welling up, no no no; he clenches his fists and wants to throw punches, weak desperate ones against the awful aching realization. But no. It's not Kakyoin's fault. It's his. He should have just asked the direct question. He shouldn't have been afraid of it, but it was and now Kakyoin is talking about him, him and Gold Experience, and he doesn't want to be him and Gold Experience, he doesn't want that.]
[He waits until his fingers stop shaking, then reaches out for the watch again.]
well carlos would agree with you. maybe you should compare notes.
[It comes out more bitter than he means it to. But there's no taking it back, and anyway, he's not sure he wants to take it back at all.]
i'm sorry
[A pause.]
I wasn't trying to assume anything. I hope I didn't go too far or say something I shouldn't have.
[A pause.]
I wasn't trying to assume anything. I hope I didn't go too far or say something I shouldn't have.
i'm in the library--would you come over here?
i won't push it if you'd rather keep going like this, that's fine
i'd just like to talk about this in person if you're okay with that
i won't push it if you'd rather keep going like this, that's fine
i'd just like to talk about this in person if you're okay with that
because honestly
if i ask 'would you tell me why' i feel like that's not a question you should have to be alone to think about
if i ask 'would you tell me why' i feel like that's not a question you should have to be alone to think about
[Oh.]
[He rubs his nose viciously and nods, even though Kakyoin isn't there.]
i'm on my way
this wasn't even what i wanted to talk about you know i was asking about something totally different originally. not him. he always comes up when i don't want him to
[He rubs his nose viciously and nods, even though Kakyoin isn't there.]
i'm on my way
this wasn't even what i wanted to talk about you know i was asking about something totally different originally. not him. he always comes up when i don't want him to
it's okay. we can talk about whatever you want to, it doesn't have to be that.
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